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Wrote: LOOKS like a BSD from pictures I just saw from googling BSD frames, didn't he also say it was a Fit? Seems pretty sketchy. I'd email the serial number to BSD and see if they can verify it the letters on the right, do they start with a T? Looks like it says TOOLO21 TOOLO BSD Too Loose 21'? Maybe, look similar anyone? Notable things are the gussets, integrated clamp, slightly concave BB my money's on it being a BSD Too Loose He mentioned it being a bsd too loose is this a good frame for street I ride really tech and I plan on getting wifi but will this be good for now. Wrote: LOOKS like a BSD from pictures I just saw from googling BSD frames, didn't he also say it was a Fit?
Seems pretty sketchy. I'd email the serial number to BSD and see if they can verify it the letters on the right, do they start with a T? Looks like it says TOOLO21 TOOLO BSD Too Loose 21'? Maybe, look similar anyone? Notable things are the gussets, integrated clamp, slightly concave BB my money's on it being a BSD Too Loose Yeah could be. I think that's it. I was thinking forever trying to think of frames that start with t o o l o but none came to mind.
Good job I think that may be it.
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Eddy Merckx Serial Numbers Below is a list of serial numbers and descriptions for a variety of Eddy Merckx steel frames. Serials are of the form -. When looking at the bottom bracket, with the frame veritcal and the headtube at the top, read this as upper left, lower left, lower right, upper right. Sort of a U shape. Because it sets a standard way for me to record this info, no other reason. Only when either a frame has been date verified by Gitabike or the Merckx factory do I add a verified model year.
Model year bikes are begun production the year before, and as such its possible for their date code to be somewhat different than what the pattern suggests Pattern? Right, the patterns.
The left side of the serial gives model and (sometimes) size information. Sometimes there are some other letters I haven't deciphered. But here's the general gist Letter Model A (Professional?) B (Professional?) P Professional C Corsa X Corsa Extra T TSX (Century) M.
Strada. On frames prior to, roughly, 1986, the M probably denotes a multisport or other model, and does not necessarily denote a Strada. If there's a Columbus SL style sticker on there (either no tubing type mentioned, or an SL), then its probably not a Strada - which will have either a Strada or possibly a Cromor decal, depending on the year. Sometimes things don't match up - there are multiple Corsa Extras marked with an H, for instance. Things to figure out as the sample space gets larger. Originally, I thought an S designated a Grand Prix (made of Seven-fifty-three tubing), but has shown up on a variety of other frames clearly labeled as other models.
The left side number will give the last digit of the frame size. C5, for instance, would be a 55cm Corsa. On some frames, this might show up as 5C, but it means the same. The right side of the serial is less easily defined. The numeric portion seems to be at least semi-linear. The two identical Grand Prix differ by 1. Other frames from the 88/89/90 time frame show numeric portions radically different.
Its possible the number portion is sane for a given model type. The final letter, however, seems to be at least a somewhat reasonable marker for timeframe.
Its possible that the letter corresponds to the catalog which the model comes from - Merckx didn't necessarily issue a new catalog for every year, so the letter may indicate the catalog year to which the model is designed. In general, the letters from 1986/87 and on seem to follow a somewhat recognizable pattern. 84/85, part of 86 maybe, also seem semi consistent: Letter Date Range Z 85 A 86/87 B 88/89 C 90/91 D 92/93 E 94/95. F 96/97 G 98 H 99. The E is a tough thing to deal with - a misdating of a frame in the table below as a 94/95 by Gita, when it is very clearly early 80's, strongly points to E as 94/95 when its an appropriate looking/constructed frame.
But the E also appears for frames in the early 80's. So use the list wisely. If you have over-bottom-bracket cable routing, you don't have a 1990's frame.
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Some bikes seem to slightly predate or post date the range. These may be bikes manufactured to the new specs in the year prior to the model year - Gitabike indicates, for example, the Grand Prix's in the list to be 89 model year, while a 10th anniversary TSX frame also carries the B. Might be a late 89 build? This list is (roughly) in the order that they were probably produced, based on the letter, claimed date, as well as look + model. As earlier frames seem less likely to follow a pattern, I've placed them first.
At some point I'll make tables that break out by frame-type, where identifiable or strongly guessable. I'd also recommend reading blog post I wrote about using frame details for dating. As in, figuring out what time frame a frame is from. Last thing I need is for the wife to have written evidence suggesting I take the bikes out more than her.
Something else worth taking a peek at is a series of blog posts I did for. Merckx has sponsored a slew of teams over the years, in a variety of liveries. Have a Merckx to add to the list? Mail me all the pertinent info you have, and if possible, pictures, including the bottom bracket.
Use merckxserials@ the domain this page is hosted at (lop off the www part, and everything following.org). (Since Apr 15, 08) Serial Verified Model Year Claimed Year Model Color Size Notes Early '80s Blue 54cm over bb routing, old lettering, flat crown fork. Gitabike misdated as 94/95 1981 blue 55cm 1981 pink/pink/white pointed 55cm Reynolds 531 1983 Professional Silver 56cm desc 1983 Dark Grey seller confident in year?-5306-E Early '80s Grey chrome lugs, early 80's claimed, over bb routing, old lettering?-8829-E 1982 Grey 57cm anthracite with chrome fork + lugs, 57cm.
1982 (claimed) M5-5317E 1984 Red Red SL, 53cm claimed, 1984 strong. A-6961-F track, blue progressional 1985 1985 Red 1983 pantod drive crank, pat 84 SR rear. Gita confirmed 1985 1985 1985/86 Professional white/red fade 56cm Gita confirmed '85 build. Brought from Belgium 2006. 1985 Corsa Black/yellow/red/white pointed Time trial frame Red/white points 55cm SL. No seat tube bosses. (pro?).
1985 SLX (Corsa Extra?) Red/White Panel 55cm. 1985 Corsa Extra Blue/blue/white pts (Team Panasonic) team issue frame. 1985 Corsa Extra Yellow 50cm Suspected repaint.
1985 Corsa Extra Blue/blue/white pts (Team Panasonic) 54cm 1985 Professional Team Panasonic 1986 Professional decals on chainstay 1985 1985 Corsa Extra Blue/white points 57cm SLX. Gita confirmed 1985 build Corsa Extra. 1985 SLX (Corsa Extra?) Pink 59cm E-4727-A unknown, 7 on steerer (57cm) 1986 Magenta back, white front claimed 86, magenta back, white front. Columbus SL. 1986/87 Corsa Blue w/white panel 50cm 6C-1512-? 1988 Corsa white w/red 56cm.
1986/87 (Corsa Extra?) Red/Yellow/Green points 57.5cm SLX frame. Number hanger.
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1986/87 Corsa Extra Metallic blue 55cm. 1987 1986/87 CX Criterium. 1986/87 Red w/White Panel 55cm. 1986/87 Strada Pink 56cm Corsa Extra Orange/Yellow/White Purchased new in 1989. Team Hitachi colors. 1986/87 Corsa Extra Red/pink/pink/white points (Lotto/TeveBlad Team) 60cm 1986/87 Corsa Extra Team Hitachi 53cm Corsa Blue 54cm Orange/Yellow/White SLX.
1986 White/Red fade SL 1986 White/Magenta fade SL. Purchased in 87 or 88. 1986/87 Corsa Extra Navy blue/red/white points 56cm Number hanger. 1986/87 Grand Prix White 1986/87 Corsa Extra Team Stuttgart 1986/87 Corsa Extra?
We are happy to answer technical questions by email but please: Do not write or phone us to ask the age or value of your bike. All of the information we have on that is on this Web page or on Also see. Note that the serial number information below is fragmentary and incomplete, and many bikes have proven to be much newer than the serial numbers would suggest.
It appears that Raleigh recycled many of the older serial numbers in later years, so there are lots of bikes from the 60s and 70s that have serial numbers that would suggest much greater age. Note that the serial number information below is fragmentary and incomplete, and many bikes have proven to be much newer than the serial numbers would suggest. It appears that Raleigh recycled many of the older serial numbers in later years, so there are lots of bikes from the 60s and 70s that have serial numbers that would suggest much greater age. Sturmey-Archer Hubs. Almost all English 3-speeds have Sturmey-Archer rear hubs. Sturmey-Archer was a division of Raleigh, made many different models since 1902, and were still in business until October, 2000. The company was sold to a group of money manipulators who shut it down in hope of making a quick profit by selling off the assets.
The Taiwanese company Sunrace bought the equipment, stock and rights to the name and is back in business. Most older Sturmey-Archer hubs have two or three-letter model codes, which are usually stamped onto the hub shell. Conveniently, they also usually have the month and the last two digits of the year of manufacture stamped onto the shell.
This is the easiest way to date a 3-speed bicycle, if it has its original rear wheel. 1888-1925 Prior to 1925, genuine Raleighs (not necessarily brand names made by Raleigh) had a straightforward numerical frame number. Early years have been estimated by the Company. (Info from the Nottinghamshire Archives) Note that the serial number information below is fragmentary and incomplete, and many bikes have proven to be much newer than the serial numbers would suggest.
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It appears that Raleigh recycled many of the older serial numbers in later years, so there are lots of bikes from the 60s and 70s that have serial numbers that would suggest much greater age. 1888: 1500 1889: 3200 1890: 5200 1891: 7600 1892::::::::::::: 1: 1: 1: 1: 1: 2: 2: 2: 3: 3: 4: 4: 5: 5: 5: 5: 6: 6: 6: 7: 8: 8: 9-Second World War Between 1925 and the cessation of cycle production during the Second World War, letters prefixed or suffixed the running frame number although no indication is given of the starting point of the numbers.
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They seem to reflect only the number of machines produced whilst each letter was in use. All dating would therefore be approximate. (Info from the Nottinghamshire Archives) 1925: A1 1925: B/27: B: E: G: L: T: U: W: W: Y184552 Post Second World War - 1955 After the war, Raleigh began adding letters after the running number series which restarted when a new letter was used.
(Info from the Nottinghamshire Archives) 1947: 437689 P 1948: 556894 P 1949: 695051 P 1951: 151179 T 1952: 236530 T 1953: 367369 T 1954: 566722 T 1955: 747951 T 1956: 852312 T 1957: 872584 T 1955 - 1966 A new numbering system was introduced in 1955, though this ran concurrently with the old one for two years. The new system involved a second running letter, added to the first, which began at the start of the alphabet. 1956: 23839 A 1957: 27227 AB 1958: 17910 AD 1960: 27273 AE 1961: 13126 AF 1965/6: 40814 FD 1966: 64521 FE Note: Some of the mid-60's straight guage 531 frames had serial numbers starting with a single letter which was towards the end of the alphabet. 1967 - 1973 Yet another number system was introduced in 1966. This new system applied to the high-end (i.e.
Reynolds 531) frames, and involved the placing of a character at the beginning of the serial number. The character began at the start of the alphabet, and indicated year of manufacture.
Detail about the numerals that follow the alphabet are sketchy, and are presumably sequential serial numbers of some kind. 1966: A, followed by four numerals 1967: B, followed by four numerals 1968: C, followed by four numerals 1969: D, followed by four numerals 1970: E, followed by four numerals 1971: F, followed by four numerals 1972: G, followed by four numerals 1973: H, followed by four numerals Note: While this numbering scheme is generally true, there may have been some crossover use of letters at the beginning/end of each year (e.g. A 'G' serial number may have been built into a bike in 1973, but the frame may have been built in 1972). 1974 - 1980's In 1974, an entirely different numbering system was introduced for the higher end (531 and subsequently 753) Raleighs.
Serial numbers should begin with a 'W', which stands for Worksop, the facility that produced theses frames. This is followed by another alphabet. This alphabet indicates the fortnight in which the frame was built (i.e. A = 1st fortnight, B = 2nd, etc.). The third character is always a numeral.
It indicates the year of manufacture, the decade being assumed (i.e. '4' could be '74 or '84; it is up to the interpretor to know enough to tell if the frame is from the 70's or 80's). What then follows is a series of numbers. At this point, these appear to be some sort of sequence, but this has not been substantiated. American made Raleighs manufactured in Kent, Washington, By Derby Cycle Sample number: R 0 033 1 0123 A.